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so I've done pretty well at forging myself a materially-independent lifestyle - I pay my own rent, car payments, food, fun, gas, insurance - the only thing I don't pay for is my tuition. Maybe this is somehow connected?

However, being spritually and emotionally and intellectually independent is failing miserably. Anyone know of a good deserted island?

on 13 Nov 2001 17:09 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] withlyn.livejournal.com
I don't think people are meant to be independant in all those ways.

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on 13 Nov 2001 17:17 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
I'm not supposed to think for myself? Be able to figure out why I'm upset? Find a solution to the problem without relying completely on others' judgements?

Someone makes decisions, someone thinks independently. There has to be someone, or no decisions would be made. There would just be a lot of people saying, "I don't know, what do you think?" (much like my relationship)

on 13 Nov 2001 20:08 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] baronbrian.livejournal.com
Welllll... you could always do it the way I did. Get rid of your television, computer, CD player, pretty much everything but a clock radio. It also helps if you get rid of all the furniture. Now live on a diet of Ramen and don't talk to anyone for a few weeks. You'll feel yourself really getting into the right mindset.

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on 13 Nov 2001 21:50 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
Extreme times, extreme measures, huh...

on 14 Nov 2001 00:48 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] baronbrian.livejournal.com
Something like that. Think of it as a retreat. Make your life more simple. Books and cards are allowed in this. Simple things basically.

on 14 Nov 2001 13:51 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] baronbrian.livejournal.com
Yeah, like playing cards. Solitare, poker, blackjack, that kind of thing.

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on 14 Nov 2001 14:03 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
Ahh.
well if I were alone, solitaire would be the only game in town, eh?
not like there's only one way to play solitare ;)

on 14 Nov 2001 21:07 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] baronbrian.livejournal.com
Ah, not true. I can play a mean hand of poker with myself. Blackjack too. I think spades and hearts would be kinda difficult though.

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on 14 Nov 2001 22:29 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
Hm... yeah I guess blackjack would work. I don't know about Poker. You couldn't have the added suspense of bluffing ;)

on 15 Nov 2001 08:47 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] baronbrian.livejournal.com
Sure you would. You just have to be able to suprise yourself.

on 13 Nov 2001 22:13 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] zenandtheart.livejournal.com
I don't know.. the more time I spend by myself the more head-fucked I get. I like to bounce off people, take their ideas and opinions and pick the bits I want, mould them together and come up with my own stuff. I feel like my whole life has been tagging along with one person and then the next but I'm happy with this because I always agreed and was happy with the company I kept. Eveyone's different, however.

Australia's almost a deserted island - a mere 20 million - you could come here:)

on 14 Nov 2001 01:16 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] goldbug.livejournal.com
actually, i've always thought of "running away to australia" to be a really common american cliche/flippant answer to how to deal with one's problems.

on 14 Nov 2001 01:18 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] goldbug.livejournal.com
and i didn't mean anything bad by that...i think australia's great! but i wondered if you knew that that was something that gets said here.

on 14 Nov 2001 15:15 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] zenandtheart.livejournal.com
I had no idea! Why do they say that? And for that matter, what else do they say about Australia?

on 14 Nov 2001 15:42 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ex-dervish821.livejournal.com
i think people say that because australia is SO far away that it seems like if you went there you wouldn't ever have to deal with any of your current problems again. kind of like going to the moon.

on 14 Nov 2001 21:26 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] goldbug.livejournal.com
i think rachel is right. and i can't really think of anything else americans say about australia/australians.

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on 14 Nov 2001 08:40 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
I'm happy with the company I've kept, too. I just don't know if I'll be prepared when the time comes that I'm left all alone.

on 14 Nov 2001 12:03 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ex-dervish821.livejournal.com
i wasn't. but, i'm adjusting.
and maybe i'm not all alone in the way you're thinking... but i did move overseas away from everyone i know but nick, and he's not home a great deal of the time, so i certainly FEEL alone.

on 14 Nov 2001 07:20 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vambot5.livejournal.com
I think it's healthy to depend on other people for some things. I'm not sure exactly what those things are, but I'm pretty sure that they change for different people. It's these things that make others feel needed, and that create the intricate (though often problematic) social structure in which we live.

Though if you are determined, I think brendan did a lot of research on islands awhile back.

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on 14 Nov 2001 08:24 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
I don't agree. I don't think that anyone should be depended on or needed, when it comes down to it. People should be wanted, desired; they naturally fit in with your life and I don't know, vibrate with the same fundamental frequency as the tone of your life, but no one should depend on another person's existance for their own health, happiness, or existence.

I'm not saying anything like "we shouldn't need doctors", but I'm assuming that those who read this understand that.

on 14 Nov 2001 12:09 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ex-dervish821.livejournal.com
if you NEED somebody, you open yourself up to be crushed if they somehow aren't there anymore. it's great stuff for romance novels ("oh, juan, i simply can't live without you!"), but not so great in real life. at least that's my experience.

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on 14 Nov 2001 14:08 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
Exactly.

heh. Juan.

on 14 Nov 2001 15:44 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ex-dervish821.livejournal.com
well, the first name that came to mind was robert, but i didn't want anyone (namely robert) weirding out about that one, so i picked a name that sounded romance novel-y and also did not belong to anybody i know.
then i remembered later that i had a boss named juan who wanted to have sex with me a long time ago (er, i guess just over 2 years ago, but it seems like a long time ago). so it was weird anyway.

on 14 Nov 2001 15:47 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] zenandtheart.livejournal.com
I think we all do depend on others for our health, happiness and existence. Without the people I love, friends family etc, I would be very unhappy and I think I would become lonely and probably sick and not want to live after a time. Going to the UK next year scares me a lot, but knowing that I have family there that I can depend on to help me if I get into trouble, knowing my own parents would save me, knowing that I now have a few people I've met online who will probably become good friends is an enormous mental safety net. I would go if I didn't have these things but if I didn't have the beginnings of my own network within 6 months or so I would come home.

I read somewhere one that there are two types of people (aren't there always?:P), those who need time by themselves to recharge, clear their heads, etc and those who thrive on the company of other people - does this make sense? I think working out which one you are, or where along that spectrum you lie, can be helpful.

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on 14 Nov 2001 16:29 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
Without the people I love, friends family etc, I would be very unhappy and I think I would become lonely and probably sick and not want to live after a time.

That's what I'm trying to avoid - I'll enjoy the company of my friends, and others that I surround myself with, and certainly their company is wonderful! - but I won't depend on it, because these people won't always be around. And there won't always be someone to take their place. Someday I might just be alone, and I'm going to have to deal with it. Better learn now.

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on 15 Nov 2001 21:47 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] zenandtheart.livejournal.com
What makes you think you'll be alone? I'm 99% sure that I never will be - why would you? I was going to say that I don't know anyone who's completely alone, but then if they were completely alone I wouldn't know them so... I'm a doofus *grin*.
And if it does happen why not learn to deal with it at the time? Why put yourself through unnecessary grief now just in case it happens?

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on 15 Nov 2001 23:39 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
shrug. something inside tells me it's gonna happen. I can't say why or how or when, but it will.

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