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Senator Barack Obama voted in favor of the FISA bill.

on 10 Jul 2008 15:36 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] rigel.livejournal.com
I don't know if you've read this, but you might feel a bit better about his decision, given.

on 10 Jul 2008 16:29 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] ratbastrd.livejournal.com
Not me. here's the key quote:

"The court will annually review procedures for protecting communications, but it will not oversee individual cases. "

i.e., effectively zero court oversight. The justice department (or whomever) can essentially do whatever they want, eavesdrop over whomever they want, without having to obtain a warrant, or any sort of permission from any other body whatsoever. All they have to is be able to show, once a year, that their general procedures are in keeping with the bill. This absolutely and without question amounts to a total degradation of our 4th amendment rights.

C'est la vie.

on 10 Jul 2008 16:53 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com
Also, "[Some say] the current law unnecessarily slows down U.S. intelligence officials as they track foreigners."

The "some" in question are liars. FISA law has *always* allowed investigators to track a case-in-progress without requiring warrants ahead of time, requiring only that they get them retroactively within a reasonable time afterward. (48 hours? I don't remember the exact figure.)

And "the bill does not address President George Bush's claim that he has Article 2 constitutional authority as the commander-in-chief to order such activity during times of war."

on 10 Jul 2008 16:49 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com
Nope. This bill was a craven act of surrender to fascism. They can pretty up the rhetoric all they want, but this greatly erodes both the Fourth Amendment and the general principle of Rule of Law.

on 10 Jul 2008 15:53 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] sjo.livejournal.com
*headdesk*

on 10 Jul 2008 17:00 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] emiofbrie.livejournal.com
Curious...when was this?

My understanding is that FISA was voted on years ago, when a lot of Congress was still in "panic" mode after 9/11.

on 10 Jul 2008 18:32 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] juldea.livejournal.com
Yesterday was a vote to renew/expand/clarify/whatever.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25605640/

on 10 Jul 2008 19:04 (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] alexx-kay.livejournal.com
FISA was originally created after Watergate, specifically to provide oversight of government wiretapping, and prevent abuses. The current legislation does a lot to eviscerate its weak-to-begin-with powers.

on 12 Jul 2008 03:54 (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] crimson5.livejournal.com
Sadly, I'm considering doing a write-in vote of 'none of the above' this election. I'm usually republican, but I really don't like McCain. And haven't seen any good reason to vote Obama yet. Voting for the opposite of someone you don't like just strikes me as a really bad decision.

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