thats the problem i have with the whole abortion issue... they dont ever seem to ask the father. We have 50% of our DNA invested in that thing. Why dont we get a say? Personally im Pro-choice much like the man above. If you believe in pro-choice then you are ok wiht limited abortion rights. Pro-life is the absolute, no abortions. Abortion is a good thing for many reasons. However, when ever i give advice to a friend who thinks they are in this situation my first piece of Advice is Adoption. There are so many people in the world who cant have children. If you dont wish to have the kid fine get the abortion but at least consider the option first then make an informed decsion.
"that after a woman's 3rd abortion, her tubes are tied or something. If the woman is that reckless, she gives up her rights to create a child."
i highly disagree with this no women should ever give up her rights to make a child unless it is done willingly. There really is no way of comprimising. When you have people that are pro-life and wish to take away peoples right to choose. Its unconstitutional.
"If you think your old enough to lay down and have sex, then you should also understand you can get pregnant and the chance is very real so think twice if your not careful about it..."
Education is the problem... so is stupidity and inmaturity.
Under this proposal, in a sense, she HAS chosen to give up her rights voluntarily. It's not 3rd preganacy, its third time choosing abortion. If you grew up as a woman, knowing its 3 strikes and no more, the 3rd decision to have an abortion is just that, have the kid or voluntarily give up ever having a kid. Note, I'm not requiring she keep the kid (adoption), just if you have 3 abortions, you are either highly reckless, or have no intentions of bringing a child to term. Incidentally, a woman who undergoes this, could still adopt a child later. Heck, I choose 3 due to the fact that human error and unwilling pregnancies do occur. But at the same time, I just feel that unlimited abortions encourages potentially reckless behavior. Either way, the woman still has a choice, just the choice has more far reaching personal consequences.
Facetiously: Possession is 9/10th of law, and you got nothing.
Honestly: You don't have to have the baby growing in you. Preganacy affects our entire bodies and can be really dangerous. If I were to get pregnant right now, I would likely choose abortion because I can't take being pregnant at this time (hence the precautions I do take to make sure that dosn't happen).
I think there are lots of cases where the women either discuss this with the father involved and they agree, or the father says "Whatever. I don't want anything to do with it." I have an aquantance right now who has decided to keep the baby, and the father has been constantly calling and begging her to have an abortion.
Fuck you and your 9/10th. It should always be discussed with the father i know of cases where it is not. Personally if the discussion happens and the father wishes for abortion or adoption and the mother refuses. Then i dont feel it is right to make the father pay for the kid.
Wikipedia and dictionary.com are my friends... but yeah i know Tongue and cheek. However i have actually seen that arguement before. twas more of a knee jerk reaction.
Do you even know what "facetiously" means? Since you've sunken to swearing and can't use punctuation at all, I'll assume no. It's a quick, flip answer that covers the basic points, but, since I expanded on it in the "Honestly" section, was just an intro.
In the end, it's the woman's choice. I agree with you that there should be some method in which men can opt out and really, completely give up thier parental rights. But in the end, it's the woman's life that's affected more.
Next time, try actual debate instead of pulling out the profanity.
Yeah, but it's my journal, and I'd appreciate it if you acted civil towards my friends. I know it's a touchy issue but you're the only one flying off the handle here.
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on 27 Jan 2006 20:30 (UTC)"that after a woman's 3rd abortion, her tubes are tied or something. If the woman is that reckless, she gives up her rights to create a child."
i highly disagree with this no women should ever give up her rights to make a child unless it is done willingly. There really is no way of comprimising. When you have people that are pro-life and wish to take away peoples right to choose. Its unconstitutional.
"If you think your old enough to lay down and have sex, then you should also understand you can get pregnant and the chance is very real so think twice if your not careful about it..."
Education is the problem... so is stupidity and inmaturity.
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on 27 Jan 2006 20:44 (UTC)no subject
on 27 Jan 2006 20:51 (UTC)Honestly: You don't have to have the baby growing in you. Preganacy affects our entire bodies and can be really dangerous. If I were to get pregnant right now, I would likely choose abortion because I can't take being pregnant at this time (hence the precautions I do take to make sure that dosn't happen).
I think there are lots of cases where the women either discuss this with the father involved and they agree, or the father says "Whatever. I don't want anything to do with it." I have an aquantance right now who has decided to keep the baby, and the father has been constantly calling and begging her to have an abortion.
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on 28 Jan 2006 01:05 (UTC)In the end, it's the woman's choice. I agree with you that there should be some method in which men can opt out and really, completely give up thier parental rights. But in the end, it's the woman's life that's affected more.
Next time, try actual debate instead of pulling out the profanity.
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