That's a non-issue. If that kind of thing were possible under the American legal system, there would be female priests. Religious freedom is a primary tenet of American law, and churches are already free to marry whomever they wish or to not marry whomever comes to them. That's already provided for under the Constitution.
The concept of civil rights working on a supply and demand system is possibly the most ludicrous argument I've heard. If you truly believe that, then maybe you should give up your right to vote and we should re-segregate schools, since obviously the equality given by women's suffrage and civil right legislation in favor of blacks took away the power of the white man.
I'm not sure how I can make my stance any clearer. There is a religious context of marriage - already within the sphere of the church - and a secular context of marriage - the thing same-sex couples are trying to make progress on. The religious context should continue to be the purview of the church, and government should have no hand in it. Legality, however, is the issue, and I think introducing an amendment would be trampling basic freedoms that are given to any American citizen. Churches (and parishioners) are free and welcome to view homosexuality as morally wrong, but it should not be legally wrong. If homosexuals are denied the right to marriage, you are effectively impeding their right to be homosexual and have the same rights as another person. If anyone were to tell you not to like men, then you would be outraged. It's equivalent.
{hating to debate indicates either a lack of rationality behind your argument of the lack of strength of purpose to defend it - it's like not being willing to die for your freedom}
Sorry I haven't been in this discussion at all. I'm sorely tempted to say I was busy having gay sex, but I wasn't. I was busy sitting through class, wishing I was.
I wish I was here before the posts were deleted. I accept differing views, and I take it as an opportunity to help people get educated (let's face it, a lot of the issues involve the fact that oftentimes, people don't know too much about gays and are highly opposed to learning for whatever reason), but deleted posts makes it difficult to figure out what they actually said. I mean, okay, maybe they think that the points contained within were invalidated, but c'mon! I've been busy! And it's good to know what a lot of the arguments are.
I'm not going to lay out my arguments. Frankly. I have faith that people are telling it like I would. And SO much of it has been said before. I'm tired of this issue, and I don't see why people care. MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, PEOPLE, than whether two consenting adults want to get married and reap the legal benifits of that.
I will say this. I want what other people have. Society keeps pounding into us that marrying someone you love romantically is a wonderful thing, and it seems really unfair to be told that, AND that I can't do it because of the minority class I fall into. ESPECIALLY when there aren't any other valid reasons that I can think of why I can't.
Done now. Nap time.
Oh, and thanks Kevin, for fighting for my side. I appreciate it. Makes getting my beauty sleep so much easier. ;)
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Re: my nose begins here
on 27 Feb 2004 19:25 (UTC)The concept of civil rights working on a supply and demand system is possibly the most ludicrous argument I've heard. If you truly believe that, then maybe you should give up your right to vote and we should re-segregate schools, since obviously the equality given by women's suffrage and civil right legislation in favor of blacks took away the power of the white man.
I'm not sure how I can make my stance any clearer. There is a religious context of marriage - already within the sphere of the church - and a secular context of marriage - the thing same-sex couples are trying to make progress on. The religious context should continue to be the purview of the church, and government should have no hand in it. Legality, however, is the issue, and I think introducing an amendment would be trampling basic freedoms that are given to any American citizen. Churches (and parishioners) are free and welcome to view homosexuality as morally wrong, but it should not be legally wrong. If homosexuals are denied the right to marriage, you are effectively impeding their right to be homosexual and have the same rights as another person. If anyone were to tell you not to like men, then you would be outraged. It's equivalent.
{hating to debate indicates either a lack of rationality behind your argument of the lack of strength of purpose to defend it - it's like not being willing to die for your freedom}
-k.
Re: my nose begins here
on 27 Feb 2004 23:52 (UTC)I wish I was here before the posts were deleted. I accept differing views, and I take it as an opportunity to help people get educated (let's face it, a lot of the issues involve the fact that oftentimes, people don't know too much about gays and are highly opposed to learning for whatever reason), but deleted posts makes it difficult to figure out what they actually said. I mean, okay, maybe they think that the points contained within were invalidated, but c'mon! I've been busy! And it's good to know what a lot of the arguments are.
I'm not going to lay out my arguments. Frankly. I have faith that people are telling it like I would. And SO much of it has been said before. I'm tired of this issue, and I don't see why people care. MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, PEOPLE, than whether two consenting adults want to get married and reap the legal benifits of that.
I will say this. I want what other people have. Society keeps pounding into us that marrying someone you love romantically is a wonderful thing, and it seems really unfair to be told that, AND that I can't do it because of the minority class I fall into. ESPECIALLY when there aren't any other valid reasons that I can think of why I can't.
Done now. Nap time.
Oh, and thanks Kevin, for fighting for my side. I appreciate it. Makes getting my beauty sleep so much easier. ;)