I'm gonna be sick

[juldea]

Shamelessly ripped off from en_ki (even using his words!):

Hey, cool, war is justification for unlimited evil!

This really, really makes me ill.

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[diego001.livejournal.com]

'Trust me, this is not my "cup of tea," but we're all soldiers now . . . there's a war out there and we better be prepared to fight it. Sometimes you've just "got to do what you've got to do."'

*gently hums Deutschland Über Alles*

[en-ki.livejournal.com]

Die Fahne Hoch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel_Lied) is perhaps more appropriate. "Germany above all" (http://alexander.nu/deutschlandlied/#LdDH) was not so sinister.

[greyhame.livejournal.com]

It's better known, however, meaning that if you make a reference to it, more people will understand you.

[en-ki.livejournal.com]

Nazi references are cheap. There's no need to make them cheaper.

[diego001.livejournal.com]

*shrug* You're right.

[siderea]

1) Are we sure she isn't a leftist plant to make the right look dumb?

2) No, this is wonderful. At the end she's ranting and raving about how she doesn't want to be "protected" from pictures of war violence. She writes, apparently having lost track of which side is supressing the media:

They protest when we've seen a single picture of a coffin; a young woman loses her job for taking a photo of several flag-draped coffins. C'mon people, I'm a big girl . . . Show me the pictures!!

It's not something I've longed to see, but this is what the enemy is counting on . . . that we Americans won't have the stomach for this kind of violence, and we'll call the whole war off.

I have wrestled with this for several days, because in my heart, I don't want to see another human being brutalized, nor do I want it held from me because I'm not strong enough to handle it.

Yes, it's easier to turn my head and deny this is happening, but I need to be confronted with the reality of this war . . . I do not want to become complacent . . . I need to be reminded every single day of the price we pay for freedom. Show me the pictures!

*Shrug* If she wants to do the left's work, she's more that welcome to!

[mr-teem.livejournal.com]

It's amazing to watch the arguments wheel around: of course we follow the Geneva conventions (wink, wink) to this was a few untrained enlisted men, an isolated incident to the ones in that prison were largely bad actors anyway, so who cares, to we didn't do things nearly as bad as the last guy that was in charge of the country, to, oh, wait, I guess we've done bad things like this before, so what's the big deal. (Ignoring really loop side arguments like, oh, it wasn't all that much worse than a men's locker room or fraternity rush week.)

[duke-nemmerle.livejournal.com]

Heh, I'll be the contrast to everyone on your friends list and say that I think nuking them would be too civil...try vx instead.

[juldea.livejournal.com]

*shiver*

[juldea.livejournal.com]

No, I'm not certain she's not a Leftist plant... but if she is, she keeps it up well. Her other articles on that website are as crazy as that one. Check this out:

Osama bin Laden is beating the drum and moving in a little closer everyday. I can feel it, and if I sit still long enough, I can almost hear the drum beat.

She's welcome to assist in making the pictures public, yes, but it was her other statements in the article that make me ill. And for that reason I don't want her on "my side" regarding the pictures: her means don't justify my ends, either.

[juldea.livejournal.com]

Blegh. One of the guys in my office wrote a letter to the Metro (http://parex.metro.st/ftp/20040512_1000005.pdf) (page 22) saying that what happened at Abu Ghraib was "humiliation, not really torture," and we shouldn't be worked up about it. I didn't think he was worth much before that, but I certainly don't now.

[juldea.livejournal.com]

You don't contrast everyone on my friends' list... just the most vocal ones.

What's vx?

[jargo.livejournal.com]

Yah know, it took me all of about 20 seconds to find the appropriate paragraph in the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War.



To this end the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:
....
(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment;.....


Not that I like seeing American soldiers killed, but hell, you can't blame Iraqis for taking popshots when given the chance. I'd be pissed too.

[mr-teem.livejournal.com]

Oh, not really torture, no. They never lay a finger on some of the prisoners. I won't excerpt this, but you can read "GI: Boy mistreated to get dad to talk" if you have a strong stomach.

Fred Kaplan's article in Slate outlines the possible consequences for the administration very clearly, especially now that the long knives are coming out. Powell is being snarky. McCain is being disgusted. Levin is in high dudgeon.

Sigh. I promised myself I wouldn't get more worked up over this. I'll be quiet now.

[mr-teem.livejournal.com]

More than you'd like to know about the nerve agent VX.

<snark to=duke_nemmerle>
Why not use Zyklon-B? Would it take too long for you?
</snark>

[duke-nemmerle.livejournal.com]

heh - a nerve agent that makes you convulse so hard that you break your own back

[juldea.livejournal.com]

:P

[en-ki.livejournal.com]

Is it wrong that I can't look at a PDF of the Metro without mistaking it for The Onion?